are these any good???
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markbuts3 said:
True, cold air is always better but makes little difference, althouh it should make some, to the 1.6 compared to something bigger. Its all to do with percentages.
Wouldnt bother spending money personally on these for a small engined car.
Had some similar on a Teg Dc2 Type r and it definately makes a difference.
ps. Stop arguing, the graphs prove that they make a difference.
shaun said:
Cold air has more desity, so it will contain more oxygen per given volume.
More oxygen means better combustions means more power...
markbuts3 said:Well Shaun doesn't seem to believe things he's shown, only what his mates tell him
arguing? who's arguing? i thought this was a discussion? just askin questions, what's wrong with that? just makin sure all the variable's are covered
the threads would be shit if no-one questioned anything?? the whole concept of the internet involves reading and now you have somethin to read :lol:
I quoted you to follow on from what swanny said
I think the graphs are good but i'm takin them with a pinch of salt because at the end of the day they could be fabricated or exagerated as they are tryin to sell somethin, although im sure they have been developed properly.
The product could work even better here as it's colder and it could also make them less effective (not sure), nice little sleeper mod if they worked.
The other day i popped my bonnet after a hammer and my downpipe was glowing red hot, kinda changed my mind on the heat factor thing, however these won't be on my priority list of mods at the moment.
And to finish my mates are just sceptical about the bhp gain not the whole concept of the idea
how did you know my mate had a metro check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RDsgXFmNJQ
I think the graphs are good but i'm takin them with a pinch of salt because at the end of the day they could be fabricated or exagerated as they are tryin to sell somethin, although im sure they have been developed properly.
The product could work even better here as it's colder and it could also make them less effective (not sure), nice little sleeper mod if they worked.
The other day i popped my bonnet after a hammer and my downpipe was glowing red hot, kinda changed my mind on the heat factor thing, however these won't be on my priority list of mods at the moment.
And to finish my mates are just sceptical about the bhp gain not the whole concept of the idea
NaylorGTI said:
how did you know my mate had a metro check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RDsgXFmNJQ
I am a car mechanic and from what i can see these are jsut replacement gaskets for the inlet manifold? If this is the case you will recieve 0 gains it would not effect a thing. The only way you could cool down the inlet manifold is by changing the metal it is made out of. (ie. Making it more heat reflective) or having a cold air feed and a air ram pipe. The piece of paper which stops the inlet manifold leaking agenst the block is only used as a seal. If it isnt a gasket i stand corrected but there is no way in hell a gasket would make your car any different unless it was a different colour. Also some cars donot even have these gaskets they use rubber rings mounter on the manifold, they r only a seal they donot do anything? Why would heatshielding a paper seal give you 5bhp. Thats rediculous!
they donot do anything? Why would heatshielding a paper seal give you 5bhp. Thats rediculous!They are heat barrier spacers. They are made from a material with a very low thermal conductivity. They stop the heat of the block being transferred to the inlet, they also stop the heat from the coolant heated TB being transferred to the plenum.syms said:I am a car mechanic and from what i can see these are jsut replacement gaskets for the inlet manifold? If this is the case you will recieve 0 gains it would not effect a thing. The only way you could cool down the inlet manifold is by changing the metal it is made out of. (ie. Making it more heat reflective) or having a cold air feed and a air ram pipe. The piece of paper which stops the inlet manifold leaking agenst the block is only used as a seal. If it isnt a gasket i stand corrected but there is no way in hell a gasket would make your car any different unless it was a different colour. Also some cars donot even have these gaskets they use rubber rings mounter on the manifold, they r only a seal
Try reading about them next time.. http://www.outlawengineering.com/techframe.html
even with a lower heat transfer performance would still not increase it would be so marginal. It wouldnt matter because the manifold will get heat from the engine bay so the difference would be so fracional it wouldnt matter. Its like if you stick an induction kit near your radiator. Cleaner air, even denser if it has a ram pipe, but hotter. Yes you might get less heat transfer from the block but think of the heat all around the inlet manifold generated by the engine. It would be fractional, practicualy impossible to measure.
Not really, you just said a cone filter drawing warm air in is crap, so the less hot metal the air has to flow through the better as it'll stay cooler. You also said it would be unmeasurable, did you bother to look at the temp graphs of intake temps ??syms said:
It's simple facts, not opinion.
If I said a CAI is not worth it, you should just stick with a filter in the engine bay drawing warm air in, then I think everyone would say I'm talking crap and they'd be correct. So why does another mod that decreases intake temps get such a slating ??
Well then they'd be wrongsyms said:i think its because people think it wouldnt make much of a diference.....like i said its opinions, dont take it heart mate, its only a gasket after all
It just gets me when people slate something without knowing anything about them. At least find out about a product first so you can put forward an informed opinion.
And that's not aimed solely at you
And it's not opinion, it's physics
think the problem with these is there relatively unknown and even when faced with facts people will question something there not sure about (which is a good thing, maybe in this case the graphs are true and im not disagreeing with them but in some cases graphs will be edited etc)
look to be well worth the money imo, maybe something people building engines would think about rather than your average budget modifier that sticks to the basics, if something takes time to fit then it wont take off like air filters etc have done and will remain pretty much unknown and questioned.
look to be well worth the money imo, maybe something people building engines would think about rather than your average budget modifier that sticks to the basics, if something takes time to fit then it wont take off like air filters etc have done and will remain pretty much unknown and questioned.