Anyone got PI springs fitted?? (or Eibachs)
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A standard rear N15 shock has about 2"s of travel.
A rear shock fitted with a lowering spring has about 1" of travel.
A rear shock fitted with a lowering spring and a bigger/extra bumpstop will have zero travel, resulting in a kangaroo style ride and massive understeer.
This is why coilovers are so much better. You can lower without any loss of suspension travel.
A rear shock fitted with a lowering spring has about 1" of travel.
A rear shock fitted with a lowering spring and a bigger/extra bumpstop will have zero travel, resulting in a kangaroo style ride and massive understeer.
This is why coilovers are so much better. You can lower without any loss of suspension travel.
yeah but there so much more expensive and so much more uncomfy!! lol and atm mate, there so much not needed lol!! Only wana improve handling slightly, I mean comon I only drive it on the roads lol and Im looking to make the car look nicer being lowered.. so coilovers are a no-no for now im afraid if you get where Im coming from, totally understand what you mean though.
18 months?? The company Ive been in contact with, has said they'll give me a 4 year warantee, was there not something you could have done about yours?? Im not going to worry to much about that, I know its a bit daft of me to say that but atleast I know they be warenteed and I know they'll be fitted properly (ahem ahem syms)
NaylorGTS
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PIs arent as good as the quality is much poorer
Every set ive seen of them dont lower the car properly, some are lower front, some are lower at the rear, some are even lower to one side, this is all do with not getting the tensile of the spring rate right, this is why they snap
Ive never ever heard of anyone having a Eibach spring snap.
Also, the whole these springs lower xx amount, these lower xx amount never is the truth either.
They'll both probs lower the same at first, however the PI's will probs lower more with time as theyre weaker(giving a poor ride and worse handling over the Eibachs)
And Rowdy's right about the bumpstops, I doubt you'd be able to hit the standard ones with the Eibachs, but with the PI's you probs would, again due to the tensile strength of the spring
Every set ive seen of them dont lower the car properly, some are lower front, some are lower at the rear, some are even lower to one side, this is all do with not getting the tensile of the spring rate right, this is why they snap
Ive never ever heard of anyone having a Eibach spring snap.
Also, the whole these springs lower xx amount, these lower xx amount never is the truth either.
They'll both probs lower the same at first, however the PI's will probs lower more with time as theyre weaker(giving a poor ride and worse handling over the Eibachs)
And Rowdy's right about the bumpstops, I doubt you'd be able to hit the standard ones with the Eibachs, but with the PI's you probs would, again due to the tensile strength of the spring
cheers for that Naylor,
I dont like the bit about lower front or back, and even the sides!! Fook me!! I know you recommend the Eibachs though Naylor, so theres no point me asking what you think I should do!! lol..
But my thinking is... with the standard GTi wheels, with the fooking massive arches, 30mm wont actually look any different.. Really want to make it look better coupled with improved handling. But not after spending £700. But dont want springs snapping on me! Grrr.. propa dilemma now haha
I dont like the bit about lower front or back, and even the sides!! Fook me!! I know you recommend the Eibachs though Naylor, so theres no point me asking what you think I should do!! lol..
But my thinking is... with the standard GTi wheels, with the fooking massive arches, 30mm wont actually look any different.. Really want to make it look better coupled with improved handling. But not after spending £700. But dont want springs snapping on me! Grrr.. propa dilemma now haha
NaylorGTS
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standard wheels with 195/55's on them are acutally a little bit bigger than 17's with 205/40's them, so with a set of eibachs it looks better with the standard wheels over the 17's.
I seen dave (from peterlee, blue gti whos just sold it for a ep3) going into work over winter with his standard wheels on (he had my old eibachs and konis on) and I thought he'd been chopping coils or getting coilovers as it looked lower than it did when he had the 17's on, but he still had the konis/eibach combo on
as you said the 30mm wont make a massive difference, but you wont be dissapointed aslong as you know it wont be dropping as much as rowdys or jme's were on standard wheels, but you'll have spent a lot less, and the ride comfort will still be good, its all swings and rounabouts mate
I seen dave (from peterlee, blue gti whos just sold it for a ep3) going into work over winter with his standard wheels on (he had my old eibachs and konis on) and I thought he'd been chopping coils or getting coilovers as it looked lower than it did when he had the 17's on, but he still had the konis/eibach combo on
as you said the 30mm wont make a massive difference, but you wont be dissapointed aslong as you know it wont be dropping as much as rowdys or jme's were on standard wheels, but you'll have spent a lot less, and the ride comfort will still be good, its all swings and rounabouts mate
eh hold on mate, so your saying with my standard 15's, it would look lower than what it would look like with 17's?? lol!!! if thats so, then sorted!
Yea I know it wont make a massive difference, but I do alteast want to see a difference as I know I'll feel the difference, but I like the lowered look aswell not just the handeling!! ok then, back to square 1, either the Eibachs at 30mm with better handeling, or PI without as good reputation but cheaper and lower!!
friggin hell!!
Yea I know it wont make a massive difference, but I do alteast want to see a difference as I know I'll feel the difference, but I like the lowered look aswell not just the handeling!! ok then, back to square 1, either the Eibachs at 30mm with better handeling, or PI without as good reputation but cheaper and lower!!
friggin hell!!
Naylor...what you were saying about the different tensile strengths in the springs - would this cause one wheel to hang lower than the rest when the car's jacked up? Or is that down to them being different dampers/having inserts?
Reason I ask is because my front left wheel hangs considerably lower than the front right when it's jacked up, but I was told this was because the dampers were different...
Reason I ask is because my front left wheel hangs considerably lower than the front right when it's jacked up, but I was told this was because the dampers were different...
Cheers again for that Naylor,
By the sounds if it, im sure your dying to say PI's are shite and if you want springs, go Eibach!!
I dont wana be fooking around with suspension, so looks like I'll be going with Eibachs lol.. Dont want to be fitting them, then having 1 side lower etc and a few months down the line it snapping or giving way.
unless any1 has anything else to say on the matter?? Please no coilover comments, as its simply not going to happen
So the question is now, has any 1 got a pic of their Almera lowered 30mm on standard wheels lol!!! And if so, what they like!!!! lol
By the sounds if it, im sure your dying to say PI's are shite and if you want springs, go Eibach!!
I dont wana be fooking around with suspension, so looks like I'll be going with Eibachs lol.. Dont want to be fitting them, then having 1 side lower etc and a few months down the line it snapping or giving way.
unless any1 has anything else to say on the matter?? Please no coilover comments, as its simply not going to happen
So the question is now, has any 1 got a pic of their Almera lowered 30mm on standard wheels lol!!! And if so, what they like!!!! lol
im on Pi springs, heard all the horror stories but didnt see the point in paying the extra £60 for eibachs on a car that i will hopefully be selling on less than a year after it was lowered, im kind of living in hope that quality checks mean they have to be safe aswell, whether thats true or not i dont know but if they were that bad they would have a poor reputation with everyone and theres people on here who swear by them (Damo's have lasted well for example), seem like a respectable established company aswell so hopefully if they did fuck up they would sort it out. ride is great, not that stiff but you know whats going on with the road, handlings better and it looks much better aswell, lowered it nicely (and even side to side) all round so done exactly what i wanted.
(not the best pic in the world, taken a day or two after they were fitted so they hadnt settled at the time, but even in that picture they were alot lower than it used to be)
do the job for me, im pleased with them and they look to be lasting ok so far (been on a few months now i think and not peeling yet)
not having a go at anyones opinions above incase its seen like that, for this car on my budget they were the best i could get and they do the job fine for me, whether they will last i dont know as that seems very pot luck (although if you keep an eye on them surely a flexible paint could be used when the powdercoat comes off?)
(not the best pic in the world, taken a day or two after they were fitted so they hadnt settled at the time, but even in that picture they were alot lower than it used to be)
do the job for me, im pleased with them and they look to be lasting ok so far (been on a few months now i think and not peeling yet)
not having a go at anyones opinions above incase its seen like that, for this car on my budget they were the best i could get and they do the job fine for me, whether they will last i dont know as that seems very pot luck (although if you keep an eye on them surely a flexible paint could be used when the powdercoat comes off?)
I had Spax 40mm springs fitted last week. They certainly arent as low as Sprints Pi's however after all the horror storries I didnt want to go with Pi's and I didnt wanto pay that for the Eibachs. The ride with these fitted is great. Alot firmer, with no bounce at all.
Heres a pic with them on. As I said not much difference visually. If you want it low, coilovers are the only way but theres not many of us can justify that kind of outlay
Heres a pic with them on. As I said not much difference visually. If you want it low, coilovers are the only way but theres not many of us can justify that kind of outlay
