30mm is what I'm after! Do you think that 30mm will take it as low as in that photoshop? Oh and Rick, a small thing I know but what colour are the springs? Yeah arrived safely cheers Colin, not a mark on them! loads of padding obviously worked. I'm going to order the grille sometime next week and once I get that I can start taking the car to bodyshops along with the photoshop I made to get some quotes.