Well lets face it, it aint exactly complicated to install. BUT, it is made by MS.
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so how are we doing this then do we need each others hotmail address????
if so mine is [email protected]
if so mine is [email protected]
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Gynx
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Well aslong as Ross has everyones MSN addy on his , he can add everyone to the same Convo. Although to be honest id let anyone whos part of the club to join to give ideas etc... not just the webbys
I should have everyones MSN contact by now, but just incase, my MSN contact is: [email protected]
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Draca
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okay guys sorry to butt in here but i can't believe you're actually contemplating flash for the main site?..
silly people..
this is a community type website.. it needs dynamic contents. if i were you i would go for PHP with dynamic contents based on SQL.
go for some shit like PHPnuke or Postnuke.. heck even Mambo works.
and it's a breeze to administer once you have it up and running.
also easy to control user access and everything.
check out www.phpnuke.org , www.postnuke.com or just go searching the net for other CMS programs..
silly people..
this is a community type website.. it needs dynamic contents. if i were you i would go for PHP with dynamic contents based on SQL.
go for some shit like PHPnuke or Postnuke.. heck even Mambo works.
and it's a breeze to administer once you have it up and running.
also easy to control user access and everything.
check out www.phpnuke.org , www.postnuke.com or just go searching the net for other CMS programs..
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Gynx
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flash is being used for the intro's , interactive artwork & menus for obvious reasons that its superior to Java , GIF's , php & HTML code in them areas.
Oh & ive also helped to build entire Flash based sites that get their content from SQL databases. This isnt 2001 , Flash 5 isnt around anymore and MX 2004 can quite easily read SQL as easily as PHP.
Oh & ive also helped to build entire Flash based sites that get their content from SQL databases. This isnt 2001 , Flash 5 isnt around anymore and MX 2004 can quite easily read SQL as easily as PHP.
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Bytephreak
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Agreed with both of you, I suggested running nuke to start off with. But as Gynx pointed out FMX can easly get to the data from sql, we could simply use nuke as the back end save us wirting the cms from scratch
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Hodge
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Bloody show off's 
Here's me just learning to "log on" on my own!!
Bill "Hodge" Gates
Here's me just learning to "log on" on my own!!
Bill "Hodge" Gates
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Draca
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Bytephreak said:
that's what i think too. because if you make everything from scratch in flash you would still have to work out everything from scratch.. that means everything. when you can simply use one of 30 available open-source CMS which takes about 5 minutes to install..
so which will it be.. 5-50 months or 5 minutes?
if you don't like phpnuke because it's too widely used.. use one of the rarer ones.
why make things complicated. i suspect most of the people running this club ain't web programmers.. so wouldn't it be better to run with something a bit less complicated? that might actually have some form of support for it if something didn't work right?
funny comment btw "this isn't 2001"
well a lot of these CMS have been around since before 2001 and they still have bugs, so go figure how complicated it is..
sure gynx you may be some unheard of super programmer guy like BPS,
i don't doubt your abilities but don't make it more complicated than it has to be.
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Bytephreak
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I think nuke is far and away the best I have used in recent times, I personally run 12 sites from nuke. I can understand peoples feelings in wanting to be different but I do have to agree there is no point in reinventing the wheel, for example everytime I want to print something to the screen in a c program I dont rewrite printf.
I guess it will be discussed further though.
I guess it will be discussed further though.
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Gynx
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A good website is a showcase of talent & with that , id rather spend 5-50 months making a brilliant one than a one in 5mins that looks the same as everyone elses php Nuke site using the same code. First thing i learnt was not to use other peoples work , as theres no talent involved.
The 2001 comment was refering to Flash 5 being the current Flash at the time & also completely useless at any other types of languages.... the total opposite now with Flash being able to create entire offline exe's / installers , let alone web eye candy.
If were gonna take this route , why not just visit dafont or something & just download a HTML / CMS template while were at it ?? , make things easier.
The 2001 comment was refering to Flash 5 being the current Flash at the time & also completely useless at any other types of languages.... the total opposite now with Flash being able to create entire offline exe's / installers , let alone web eye candy.
If were gonna take this route , why not just visit dafont or something & just download a HTML / CMS template while were at it ?? , make things easier.
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Draca
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Gynx said:
i understood the comment, i just mentioned it was funny because i understood it. my computer experience stretches back to 1986 so i would have a vague notion of what you are saying.
but i still agree with bytephreak.. true it the site may end up looking similar to tons of other sites. but it's gonna work. so unless you're the super programmer you think you are i see clear problems into making it work.. and even then the timeframe for a working site would be somwhere aroung 6-12 months for a working version, unless you have some secret project lying somewhere.. then working out bugs and functionality for another 6 months..
since you are obviously the only advanced programmer here i don't see how any of the other could contribute to anything to that project which would mean it would take much longer to make it.
but personally i'd rather see this take form and go into action within less than a month or two with focus on some contents than see it die away in a futile attempt to create the perfect CMS portal site.
it would actually be more important to focus on contents than layout, even if you had the greatest layout on earth, fact remains that this site really doesn't have anything else than the forum to rely on right now.
so if it takes 1 year just to launch a new site and then start thinking about contents isn't it a bit too late?
then you've just reinvented the wheel for the 30th time but forgot to put it on a rotary axle.
as for the comment on using other people's works.. well some people are using your work right now aren't they?.. does that mean you have no talent as well?
it's ridiculous to state that you should build your own car just because you need to drive to and from work every day.
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Gynx
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Read 2 paragraphs down then stopped wasting my time. Are you even reading what i posted earlier ? , Flash is only going to be used for Menus & non-static Eye Candy.
How hard is that to understand ? it wont effect the PHP side to things as there just embedded objects on a php generated page... not the shite ur ranting on about above lol.
Also , you stated the exact words in the Web design section. PHP Nuke Sites can be setup within 5 mins even by an >>> Amateur <<<. Because basicly thats what it is. Amateur to use somebody elses pre-coded layouts and sites.
Read 2 paragraphs down then stopped wasting my time. Are you even reading what i posted earlier ? , Flash is only going to be used for Menus & non-static Eye Candy.
How hard is that to understand ? it wont effect the PHP side to things as there just embedded objects on a php generated page... not the shite ur ranting on about above lol.
Also , you stated the exact words in the Web design section. PHP Nuke Sites can be setup within 5 mins even by an >>> Amateur <<<. Because basicly thats what it is. Amateur to use somebody elses pre-coded layouts and sites.
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Draca
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Gynx said:
well i also read this part which was right below the other statement
or did you forget you wrote that?
and i also read this
both these statements that YOU made, make you contradict yourself just now.
if the intent is to use a CMS and design a custom layout for it featuring bling bling flash movies and stuff then i have nothing to add or remove.
but that's not what those statements say. and obviously i'm not the only one that interpreted it that way. and yes i know what flash is like i stated earlier.
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Gynx
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Yer i remember saying them lol , but ur Arguing the point of why we shouldnt use an entirely Flash based Site for the club when i simply arnt even saying we should.
The first quote , was stating the point that flash can use PHP/SQL just as well as a web browser & the second one is my personal opinion on what id do for a site of my own , as i simply wouldnt feel happy using something that was "made earlier". But this isnt my site , nor is it my club so my personal opinion on what i would do doesnt matter. I Said id help if flash was needed & it was decided flash would work well with the menus & any interactive artwork (Alloy Wheel viewers , etc that kinda stuff. Or I suppose PHP is better at those aswell ).
Basicly , there is no contradiciton... you just think im saying something im not.
The first quote , was stating the point that flash can use PHP/SQL just as well as a web browser & the second one is my personal opinion on what id do for a site of my own , as i simply wouldnt feel happy using something that was "made earlier". But this isnt my site , nor is it my club so my personal opinion on what i would do doesnt matter. I Said id help if flash was needed & it was decided flash would work well with the menus & any interactive artwork (Alloy Wheel viewers , etc that kinda stuff. Or I suppose PHP is better at those aswell
).Basicly , there is no contradiciton... you just think im saying something im not.
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Bytephreak
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Guys, what I think we need here is beer!.. Getting a bit heated.
Some crossed wires goign somewhere with some mixed opinions on whats going down! Seems the general jist of it is that I will write some type of backend cms in sql then work with some of the others to tie it into the main design using PHP, with gynx doing some flash elements.
As it stands and though I am not agreeing with it the forum will be a seperate entity from the main site. That is my understanding from last weeks meeting anyway. As for programming, though I dont know flash I am a programmer by profession though I *persnoally* do not see the point in writing a cms from the ground up, it seems thats the way things are going. But we certainly do have the skills base to do it.
On another point, Nuke is awsome granted its a great framework to work from IMHO building a site around it does not have to look generic at all (not bitching at anyone here just adding to it!) if you desire it to look different to all the other sites that use it then it can be done I admit if your only an amateur and have no programming experiance in perl/php/mysql then yes you will more than likely have a portal site that looks like everyone elses but if you do have said experiance then skys the limit. Several sites I run have flash elements in a nuke frame work.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with using work by others, its open source the idea is to take whats been done improve it and give it back to the community so others can develop on it. Unless said software is either stolen/closed source or other wise as opressive copyrighting I am all for open source (but then I use linux... yes I know I am the minority but thats my view).
At the end of the day we are supposed to be working towards a common goal, it seems that we are letting our personal preferences get in the way of something that each of us as individuals have no control over. I think like already stated if was up to each of us we would all do it in different ways with overlapping in certain area's but ultimatley I guess its Ross's choice over what we use, we can only offer ideas.
If it was back in the early 80's again and we were on a 4.8k line then I would be flat text all the way (I still dont think this is a bad idea though!). But after 20 years of been a self admitted ubar geek in every respect I think we should just forget the debating since chances are its not going to get us nowhere get on with it and see what its like. Time scale wise sooner would be better but then again we all have day jobs too so it will take longer that the month I would normally say for such a project.
We all have valid points, lets see what others think now, so anyone for a drink then
Some crossed wires goign somewhere with some mixed opinions on whats going down! Seems the general jist of it is that I will write some type of backend cms in sql then work with some of the others to tie it into the main design using PHP, with gynx doing some flash elements.
As it stands and though I am not agreeing with it the forum will be a seperate entity from the main site. That is my understanding from last weeks meeting anyway. As for programming, though I dont know flash I am a programmer by profession though I *persnoally* do not see the point in writing a cms from the ground up, it seems thats the way things are going. But we certainly do have the skills base to do it.
On another point, Nuke is awsome granted its a great framework to work from IMHO building a site around it does not have to look generic at all (not bitching at anyone here just adding to it!) if you desire it to look different to all the other sites that use it then it can be done I admit if your only an amateur and have no programming experiance in perl/php/mysql then yes you will more than likely have a portal site that looks like everyone elses but if you do have said experiance then skys the limit. Several sites I run have flash elements in a nuke frame work.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with using work by others, its open source the idea is to take whats been done improve it and give it back to the community so others can develop on it. Unless said software is either stolen/closed source or other wise as opressive copyrighting I am all for open source (but then I use linux... yes I know I am the minority but thats my view).
At the end of the day we are supposed to be working towards a common goal, it seems that we are letting our personal preferences get in the way of something that each of us as individuals have no control over. I think like already stated if was up to each of us we would all do it in different ways with overlapping in certain area's but ultimatley I guess its Ross's choice over what we use, we can only offer ideas.
If it was back in the early 80's again and we were on a 4.8k line then I would be flat text all the way (I still dont think this is a bad idea though!). But after 20 years of been a self admitted ubar geek in every respect I think we should just forget the debating since chances are its not going to get us nowhere get on with it and see what its like. Time scale wise sooner would be better but then again we all have day jobs too so it will take longer that the month I would normally say for such a project.
We all have valid points, lets see what others think now, so anyone for a drink then
Thats interesting Draca - However it states on your profile that you were born on September 10, 1980.Draca said:i understood the comment, i just mentioned it was funny because i understood it. my computer experience stretches back to 1986 so i would have a vague notion of what you are saying.
You must have been one of the smartest 6 year olds ever then?
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Spaceman
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Well spoted mate LMAO