Turbo this turbo that.
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shaggy_master
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GTiR is probably easier in theory..
But it took Scott B a year to get his running.
Whereas you could bolt the necessary turbo parts onto a GTi engine over a weekend, get it mapped up monday and have more power than a standard GTiR engine easily.
Joe
But it took Scott B a year to get his running.
Whereas you could bolt the necessary turbo parts onto a GTi engine over a weekend, get it mapped up monday and have more power than a standard GTiR engine easily.
Joe
shaggy_master
brapp brapp!
You can't claim a 0-60 time at all, as every DE+T project will turn out differently, and there's other limiting factors such as driver skill, tire quality and the weight of the car.
In my eyes, its easier to turbo the existing engine as its already there, in the car, and running.
You've gotta remember that, to fit a GTiR engine there's certain modifications that have to be made to either the Inlet or the Strut brace so that the engine actually fits in the bay.
Then you've gotta mix and match clutch/flywheel parts as they differ from a standard GTi setup.
And thats before you've even looked at the wiring.. And I'm sure Scott B will tell you how much of a jungle the wiring is, as absolutely everything's different.
Also I'd rather keep a quite high compression ratio so that off boost pull is still half decent.. If you install a GTiR engine you're gonna have low compression so off boost driving may be a tad dull.
And this talk about changing pistons if you want to turbo your GTi.. Like Tom said the standard bottom end can handle low boost no problem.. Its when you start turning up the boost you'll have problems.
Because the standard setup of a GTi engine has a fairly high Compression Ratio, you can only safely run a certain amount of boost to avoid the engine getting too hot and chances of detonation and bad/expensive damage.
It all depends what you wanna aim for really. For anything below 250 I'd say turbo your existing engine, as it'll be relatively cheap and simple to do, reliable and certainly fun if you don't lower the compression too much.
If you're aiming really high like above 300.. I'd say possibly look at either strengthening your existing bottom end, or possibly just go for the GTiR install..
After all... They're both SR20's.
Joe
In my eyes, its easier to turbo the existing engine as its already there, in the car, and running.
You've gotta remember that, to fit a GTiR engine there's certain modifications that have to be made to either the Inlet or the Strut brace so that the engine actually fits in the bay.
Then you've gotta mix and match clutch/flywheel parts as they differ from a standard GTi setup.
And thats before you've even looked at the wiring.. And I'm sure Scott B will tell you how much of a jungle the wiring is, as absolutely everything's different.
Also I'd rather keep a quite high compression ratio so that off boost pull is still half decent.. If you install a GTiR engine you're gonna have low compression so off boost driving may be a tad dull.
And this talk about changing pistons if you want to turbo your GTi.. Like Tom said the standard bottom end can handle low boost no problem.. Its when you start turning up the boost you'll have problems.
Because the standard setup of a GTi engine has a fairly high Compression Ratio, you can only safely run a certain amount of boost to avoid the engine getting too hot and chances of detonation and bad/expensive damage.
It all depends what you wanna aim for really. For anything below 250 I'd say turbo your existing engine, as it'll be relatively cheap and simple to do, reliable and certainly fun if you don't lower the compression too much.
If you're aiming really high like above 300.. I'd say possibly look at either strengthening your existing bottom end, or possibly just go for the GTiR install..
After all... They're both SR20's.
Joe
with the right fueling id put 8-10psi on a RR bottom end.. iv seen alot more in other places... SR20's are strong stock motors...
get a GTiR manfiold a GT28R turbo GTiR elbow then go 3" from there back... drill the block for an oil return. custom steel do a nice oil sender block.. route some water lines to it from the Throttle bodie drop in some S15 or S14 injectors and run 10PSi on it with a greddy e-mange...
get a GTiR manfiold a GT28R turbo GTiR elbow then go 3" from there back... drill the block for an oil return. custom steel do a nice oil sender block.. route some water lines to it from the Throttle bodie drop in some S15 or S14 injectors and run 10PSi on it with a greddy e-mange...
shaggy_master
brapp brapp!
Amen
Yeah Scott B has listed it in the GTi tuning section but you need to be a member to see it.
thanks
will get membership tomo then need to go get this engine out of this almera in a min might see ow much he wants for the whole thing only thing wrong with it is the gearbox
Yeah Scott B has listed it in the GTi tuning section but you need to be a member to see it.
will get membership tomo then need to go get this engine out of this almera in a min might see ow much he wants for the whole thing only thing wrong with it is the gearbox
Hi
It really does depend on what sort of power you are looking for. If you would be happy with a reliable 200hp at 8-10psi then turboing the standard engine would be the way to go it would be a lot cheaper and a lot less hassle then a GTiR swap. As soon as you want much more power then that you will need to start spending more money with a standard DE turboed, on things like injectors, pistons, headgasket, intercooler, clutch etc. This is when it would make more sense to do the GTiR conversion.
This thread may help, for when you have signed up as a member.
http://www.almeraownersclub.net/showthread.php?t=19526
Jamie
It really does depend on what sort of power you are looking for. If you would be happy with a reliable 200hp at 8-10psi then turboing the standard engine would be the way to go it would be a lot cheaper and a lot less hassle then a GTiR swap. As soon as you want much more power then that you will need to start spending more money with a standard DE turboed, on things like injectors, pistons, headgasket, intercooler, clutch etc. This is when it would make more sense to do the GTiR conversion.
This thread may help, for when you have signed up as a member.
http://www.almeraownersclub.net/showthread.php?t=19526
Jamie
I met Simcard last night (Gear box pickup)(Sound kid is he) We got yarning so we only just touched on what he is doing to the red gti.
The question i posted came from the fact that he told me that its not as easy as people may think it is.
I will check the threads you mentioned.
Cheers.
Sold.
Buy my engine (see for sale post)
This is what you need Plus a few other bits but this is prettmy much it.
1. JWT adjustable sprockets
2. JWT cam's?? S3R's
3. Nissport Adapters for water cooling the turbo. They Plum into Top and bottom hose and use braided lines, Looks the business and is very reliable.
4. G-Reddy Oil Filter Moving Kit - should make future oil changes a breeze
5. Gauges? (FPR Gauge and Braided line kit)
6. Dasktek Piggyback ECU
7. oil pressure switch and T-piece
8. Manual Boost controller
9. Greddy BOV
10. 200sx Injectors
11. ACT Banjo's and fittings
12. ACT Clutch 6 puck
13. Flywheel - Fidanza
14. Sard FPR
15. poly engine mount's
16. Walbro 255 high pressure fuel pump
17. Autobahn666 intercooler kit
18 GtiR manifold and GTiR t28 turbo
1. JWT adjustable sprockets
2. JWT cam's?? S3R's
3. Nissport Adapters for water cooling the turbo. They Plum into Top and bottom hose and use braided lines, Looks the business and is very reliable.
4. G-Reddy Oil Filter Moving Kit - should make future oil changes a breeze
5. Gauges? (FPR Gauge and Braided line kit)
6. Dasktek Piggyback ECU
7. oil pressure switch and T-piece
8. Manual Boost controller
9. Greddy BOV
10. 200sx Injectors
11. ACT Banjo's and fittings
12. ACT Clutch 6 puck
13. Flywheel - Fidanza
14. Sard FPR
15. poly engine mount's
16. Walbro 255 high pressure fuel pump
17. Autobahn666 intercooler kit
18 GtiR manifold and GTiR t28 turbo
This is what you need Plus a few other bits but this is prettmy much it.
1. JWT adjustable sprockets
2. JWT cam's?? S3R's
3. Nissport Adapters for water cooling the turbo. They Plum into Top and bottom hose and use braided lines, Looks the business and is very reliable.
4. G-Reddy Oil Filter Moving Kit - should make future oil changes a breeze
5. Gauges? (FPR Gauge and Braided line kit)
6. Dasktek Piggyback ECU
7. oil pressure switch and T-piece
8. Manual Boost controller
9. Greddy BOV
10. 200sx Injectors
11. ACT Banjo's and fittings
12. ACT Clutch 6 puck
13. Flywheel - Fidanza
14. Sard FPR
15. poly engine mount's
16. Walbro 255 high pressure fuel pump
17. Autobahn666 intercooler kit
18 GtiR manifold and GTiR t28 turbo
Whats the ballpark cost of that little lot? Painful i bet? Will be worth every penny tho.