Disappointing

My mate who sold me my P1 Gti bought an 04 plate 1.8 Corolla T-Sport and they are pretty quick but he reckons the Almera in 3rd gear had more pull. Power to weight ratio-wise the Mera don't match up to the Corolla well, but i've had a go with one and it was a lot closer than you'd expect for a 190BHP car with no weight.

As for you being beat by a 1.6 mate, I can't see that unless it was modded. If a GTi can almost keep up with a T-Sport then a 1.6 don't have much chance really IMO.

As for Fiesta ST's, I raced a brand new 07 plate one when my P1 had no mods at all, and we were side by side until we had to back off. Not bad for a 11 year old car with over 150K on the clock. That car wouldn't even be at 10K yet. That says a lot to me about the Almera.

But then again all cars are different and they've all been abused/looked after in different ways. Mine has been well maintained with full service history etc, and the past owners haven't abused it at all, so I guess i'm the first :lol:
 
DaveGTi said:
cheers for the response guys. all valid points i must say. i wouln't say i was totally beaten by a 1.6 - i didn't redline it and i didn't really have any intention of doing so but i was surprised by his pace - probably down to me as i was accelerating from about 30 in 3rd when i should probably have been in 2nd but as the engine started to pull past 4k revs he didn't fall back at all which suggests to me he had a little bit left.

but hey, shit happens. time for a couple of mods maybe :)
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No wonder then mate, going from 30 in 3rd is where you went wrong. You'd have been totally out of the Almera's power band.

In a standard GTi 1st gear will hit 40MPH and 2nd will hit 60 MPH. Mine does 70 now in 2nd after a couple of mods, but I do have 17's on too.

If you was giving the throttle more mate he would have been way behind pal
 
Fiesta ST's well i raced one a few times and pretty neck and neck i was behind one and we were going for it i had to back off othwerwise id have smashed up his rear end!
I repeatedly get told my car is shit and how this fiesta is 10 times better! I replied How much did it cost? He goes £12k i replied your £12k car aint £10k faster than mine i only piad £1900 for my GTi. He was upset. Also the fact the SR engine is a zillion years old in design and that he hd a BRAND new duratec bollocks under his bonnet. For £12k id rather have an evo for a decent R32 GTR
 
Well if he had less than 10k miles, it may have needed loosening up a bit. ;) Nah by 10k it should have bedded in, less than 1000 miles could slow it down though I bet. And some engines DO keep on improving with age rather than become crap, those old mk2 Golfs used to apparently get better up until about 120k miles. Probably not in modern engines so much, since machining techniques are bound to be a lot better now, but still. I have to say my 120k Primera engine doesn't feel anything like as solid as my 63k Almera's one did though, and they're both SR20s. I'm sure my Almera was thrashed, but looked after though. This Primera one I know for a fact has rode on low oil for portions of its life (it uses a lot so needs checking, and as a result of being run low it uses even MORE now, either the piston rings or valve stem seals are going 'cos I get like a diesel-style exhaust oil cloud when I accelerate sometimes), and it's had a new head gasket. Have to admit, I've NO IDEA how that should happen on the SR20...
 
sprint said:
even a warm hatch shouldnt be beaten by a 1.6 though surely?
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Pulsar Vzr

Colt Mivec

Toyota levin BZR

Civir SIR/vti

Fiesta ST

Corsa VXR

the list goes on and on ...all quicker than a GTI..you can go on all night about the extra torque of the gti but I know haven driven a standard VRZ and standard GTI the VZR is noticeably quicker

sure heres a Video of an Levin out pacing an AUTECH gti

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7XtrblFTQ

granted its mostly down to suspension and handling but even power wise the AUTECH doesnt exactly show them a clean pair of heels especaiily considering the guy in the levin misses a gear change on take off
 
dagnut said:
Pulsar Vzr

Colt Mivec

Toyota levin BZR

Civir SIR/vti

Fiesta ST

Corsa VXR

the list goes on and on ...all quicker than a GTI..you can go on all night about the extra torque of the gti but I know haven driven a standard VRZ and standard GTI the VZR is noticeably quicker

sure heres a Video of an Levin out pacing an AUTECH gti

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7XtrblFTQ

granted its mostly down to suspension and handling but even power wise the AUTECH doesnt exactly show them a clean pair of heels especaiily considering the guy in the levin misses a gear change on take off
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Sorry to correct you mate but a Fiesta ST is a 2 litre, unless your point isn't about 1.6 engines? lol
 
Slapster said:
Sorry to correct you mate but a Fiesta ST is a 2 litre, unless your point isn't about 1.6 engines? lol
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I was just qouting sprint..my point is still a valid one..a standard GTI is not a quick car
 
when Chawkie took me out in his VZ-R last JAE, it didnt feel as fast as my GTi at all.
 
Hally said:
when Chawkie took me out in his VZ-R last JAE, it didnt feel as fast as my GTi at all.
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well i dont know about that he could off been carrying weight? or short shifting? who knows..A VZR is faster standard...its lighter and has 25+ bhp on a GTI..its runs faster 0-60, faster 1/4 miles..Ive driven both GTI pulls from lower has much better torque curve but runs out of steam to quickly at the top end or the rev range..what feels faster and what is faster arent always the same thing..not trying to condesend to you here...but we have a huge culture of jap 1.6's here and driven right(not saying Chawkie cant drive!!) they are mighty fast for what they are
 
dagnut said:
Pulsar Vzr

Colt Mivec

Toyota levin BZR

Civir SIR/vti

Fiesta ST

Corsa VXR

the list goes on and on ...all quicker than a GTI..you can go on all night about the extra torque of the gti but I know haven driven a standard VRZ and standard GTI the VZR is noticeably quicker
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granted they would probably all keep up/beat a GTi but there all a bit more specail than the corrola, all will be over 110bhp etc, should have explained it as a warm 2.0 against a warm 1.6 hatch really.

i know what you mean about feeling quick and actually being quick aswell, a mates dad had an E36 325TD, it felt stupidly quick but when you looked at the speedo it didnt make sense, it felt like it accelerated a hell of a lot quicker than it actually did, even towing a car though it did well and was pretty quick for what it was, just felt quicker than it really was, the torque was amazing. the VZR/GTi would be the same i suppose, one has the torque the other has the power.
 
I never really considered GTi's to be fast, they're great cars in terms of reliability, subtle styling and comfort, but I don't think they were designed with performance in mind, maybe performance back in 1995, but they're not really comparible to a lot modern hot-hatches.

That said my old one only had a lightened flywheel and could keep up with non turbo mr2's, non turbo scoobies and t170 focuses.
 
sprint said:
granted they would probably all keep up/beat a GTi but there all a bit more specail than the corrola, all will be over 110bhp etc, should have explained it as a warm 2.0 against a warm 1.6 hatch really.

i know what you mean about feeling quick and actually being quick aswell, a mates dad had an E36 325TD, it felt stupidly quick but when you looked at the speedo it didnt make sense, it felt like it accelerated a hell of a lot quicker than it actually did, even towing a car though it did well and was pretty quick for what it was, just felt quicker than it really was, the torque was amazing. the VZR/GTi would be the same i suppose, one has the torque the other has the power.
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sorry picked you up wrong an SR corrolla shouldnt be anywhere near a GTI...your right diesels illustrate exactly the differnece between feeling fast and actaully goin fast..big lumps of power in the midrange do nothing for overall performance
 
Funny thing is, that 325 was state of the art at the time, yet you get 1.6 Kia diesels with more torque now. :eek: Makes me wonder how it made so much more power, must have been quite high revving for an oil burner...

TBH for the average motorist who doesn't go past 4500 rpm and who should want to use less fuel, a diesel makes perfect sense these days, until expensive stuff goes wrong...
 
TropGreenGTi said:
Funny thing is, that 325 was state of the art at the time, yet you get 1.6 Kia diesels with more torque now. :eek: Makes me wonder how it made so much more power, must have been quite high revving for an oil burner...

TBH for the average motorist who doesn't go past 4500 rpm and who should want to use less fuel, a diesel makes perfect sense these days, until expensive stuff goes wrong...
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only revved to 5 or 6k iirc, remember he had it remapped though and it did pull higher into the rev range then, before it was done it was the typical diesel with tons of torque then nothing. the fact that it was a straight 6 can only of helped aswell, seems suited to a good torque low revving engine which is ideal for a diesel, was pretty smooth and quite nice sounding for a diesel aswell.
 
Slapster said:
No wonder then mate, going from 30 in 3rd is where you went wrong. You'd have been totally out of the Almera's power band.

In a standard GTi 1st gear will hit 40MPH and 2nd will hit 60 MPH. Mine does 70 now in 2nd after a couple of mods, but I do have 17's on too.

If you was giving the throttle more mate he would have been way behind pal
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totally understand that.i know i was in the wrong gear for maximun acceleration, but i was looking in my mirror thinking 'as soon as i hit 4k revs you're dogmeat mate' and when i got to about 6k revs he was still glued to my back end so i give up.(coming up to a roundabout - he hardly braked and nearly hit a bus up the arse!)
 
sprint said:
only revved to 5 or 6k iirc, remember he had it remapped though and it did pull higher into the rev range then, before it was done it was the typical diesel with tons of torque then nothing. the fact that it was a straight 6 can only of helped aswell, seems suited to a good torque low revving engine which is ideal for a diesel, was pretty smooth and quite nice sounding for a diesel aswell.
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Yep, 5k is high, 6k is stratosphere-levels to them!
 
Slapster said:
In a standard GTi 1st gear will hit 40MPH and 2nd will hit 60 MPH. Mine does 70 now in 2nd after a couple of mods, but I do have 17's on too.
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Was the rev limiter raised too? :confused:
 
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