Short Shifter
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What im saying is that you have another option, whether it be to improve the standard gearstick or improve on the short shifter kit(how the topic began).
Personally i would have a short shifter kit with a shorter shaft too. This way you are covereing both types of throw (linear and angular).
Personally i would have a short shifter kit with a shorter shaft too. This way you are covereing both types of throw (linear and angular).
here mate iv drawn u a nice picture to explain it once and for all.
As you can see with a shorter shaft the gearstick is in exactly the same position, just the shaft is shorter, meaning shortening the shaft does absolutely nothing exept make it harder to find your gears....
Like i said before your eyes will see it as shortening the throw but in reality it does nothing
As you can see with a shorter shaft the gearstick is in exactly the same position, just the shaft is shorter, meaning shortening the shaft does absolutely nothing exept make it harder to find your gears....
Like i said before your eyes will see it as shortening the throw but in reality it does nothing
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That's the point he's making syms, on your diragram it shows the distance needed to move the gearstick as shorter on the shorter shaft, for all intents and purposes that means you move the stick less to change gear, which makes it quicker to do (in theory) compared to a longer one.
Yeah but surely they're both right?
Syms is right, because at the other side of the pivot point (under the car...) The distance travelled will be exactly the same...
What Dale is saying, is that with a shorter shaft, you would have to move less distance to make that movement... It wouldn't be as effective as a short shift, but would still make a difference...
Syms is right, because at the other side of the pivot point (under the car...) The distance travelled will be exactly the same...
What Dale is saying, is that with a shorter shaft, you would have to move less distance to make that movement... It wouldn't be as effective as a short shift, but would still make a difference...
ARRRRRGGGHHHHHH look at your own diagram you posted !!!
you drop BELOW to reduce the throw...this is getting old im not talking about 1st being parralel with nuetral ffs..just the diagram that syms posted!!
have either of you even fitted a short shift? the shaft is not straight its like below then you'll know what i mean
see how the shaft is bent? you would have to cut below the kink to change the angle/throw distance which would be pointless in the extreme
you drop BELOW to reduce the throw...this is getting old im not talking about 1st being parralel with nuetral ffs..just the diagram that syms posted!!
have either of you even fitted a short shift? the shaft is not straight its like below then you'll know what i mean
see how the shaft is bent? you would have to cut below the kink to change the angle/throw distance which would be pointless in the extreme
No i havent fitted a short shift. But ive took apart a few gearboxs and also know how gear selector rods work.
Regardless of the bend in the shaft, the shorter shaft will reduce the distance of the gearstick throw whether its cut before or after the bend. We are talking Linear distance mate. Nothing to do with angles.
Regardless of the bend in the shaft, the shorter shaft will reduce the distance of the gearstick throw whether its cut before or after the bend. We are talking Linear distance mate. Nothing to do with angles.
OMG!! I left school with D and E's and even I know how one works.
The 'ball joint' sits where it needs to sit, and the LONGER the BOTTOM part is the shorter the throw is.
Because you have more leverage on the gear linkages causing it to go into gear quicker.
Cutting the TOP bit of the shaft, is just giving making you feel like it's shorter, when it will not be going into gear any quicker.
The 'ball joint' sits where it needs to sit, and the LONGER the BOTTOM part is the shorter the throw is.
Because you have more leverage on the gear linkages causing it to go into gear quicker.
Cutting the TOP bit of the shaft, is just giving making you feel like it's shorter, when it will not be going into gear any quicker.
right the short shifters that are available roughly reduce throw by 40% yes? any more and the heatshield would have to be removed, so if you want even more reduced throw then chop the shaft.
how i see it is a shortshifter is one way of reducing the throw while still keeping the same leverage above the pivot point and therefore keeping the throw effort the same as standard. Chopping the shaft will reduce the physical movement/throw but will require more effort as there is less leverage above the pivot.
A short shifter reduces the throw therefore the physical movement above the pivot point
how i see it is a shortshifter is one way of reducing the throw while still keeping the same leverage above the pivot point and therefore keeping the throw effort the same as standard. Chopping the shaft will reduce the physical movement/throw but will require more effort as there is less leverage above the pivot.
A short shifter reduces the throw therefore the physical movement above the pivot point
Its like saying you would use a breaker bar to undo (all the way) a nut on a long thread. If you had common sense you would crack the nut, then use a shorter bar or wratchet becasue....its quicker. and require less travelled distance.
It doesnt magicaly "appear" to be a shorter distance..... it is!
It doesnt magicaly "appear" to be a shorter distance..... it is!
how can you call someone dim when you are talking a load of bollox and at least 3-4 people have told you this, not just me! *Sigh* you need to grow up and start taking peoples advise, dale isnt king of the world you know.
Also you donot use a shorter bar because its quicker, you use a longer bar because it has more leverage, its to do with power not quickness
i give up, goodnight
Also you donot use a shorter bar because its quicker, you use a longer bar because it has more leverage, its to do with power not quickness
i give up, goodnight