tbh dale if we take "sprints" GTi, that made 121whp and 147bhp when standard, thats around a 22% loss, mine works out at around a 24% loss so going off 141bhp being the standard bhp figure then im guessing the standard whp figure would be around 116, but its all wierd, dynos are just for pub talk, on the way home, my mates civic EG6 VTi put out 138whp and 164bhp and is lighter than my GTi yet when we were driving back nicely i was reeling him in in 4th gear, dead even from 2nd through and through 3rd yet into 4th i was pulling him in so its all wank really :lol: